Correctional garden. Correctional kindergartens: their types and procedure for registration
Mama Natasha
Oct 6 2011, 02:43 AM
Dear moms, help with advice.
The child is 4.3 years old. I went to the logo garden in September. Immediately there were hints "The child is complex, not like everyone else." Moreover, before that, he went to a regular kindergarten for six months and no one complained about him, only he did not communicate with speech and with children, he made excellent contact with adults. The child spoke only in February, that is, when he was 3.8. Now for half a year there is a huge progress in speech, but, of course, he is far behind his peers. He probably talks like a three year old.
In general, in the new kindergarten they are not satisfied that the child is VERY active, runs everywhere, does not listen to the teachers (for some reason he listened in another kindergarten), does not play with children (but recently he began to make some attempts) and most importantly - does not sleep at a quiet hour (again, everything was ok in that garden) and interferes with other children and the teachers cannot do anything with him. He doesn’t work with children in a group - he disrupts classes, he also doesn’t work individually with a speech therapist.
The pressure has been going on for a month. Yesterday they openly said that they couldn’t kick us out, but there’s no place for us in this garden. Today they told me that my child’s development is 2 years old and that he can still be saved, but we need to urgently do something, run everywhere that he needs, a psychiatrist, a correctional garden and an escort in this garden.
We did an EEG in the summer, the result is good, everything is as it should be according to age. A year ago we went to the Institute of Correctional Pedagogy when the child did not speak at all and they put him on the EEG with the features of the emotional-volitional sphere. Now they signed up again. I didn’t find pathologies other than speech, we have never been given any diagnoses such as ZPR or ZPRR or something indicating problems with intelligence.
The son can count up to a hundred, from the age of 2.5 he knows all geometric shapes, colors, letters, numbers, has all the skills of self-service, is well versed with a TV, set-top box, computer and telephone, masterfully remembers the road (even a long one), orients himself almost better me, if we once traveled along this path, and I never focused on this.
Since spring, a child has been going to a speech pathologist-defectologist, who can perfectly work out with him for 40 minutes, that is, of course, he is distracted, he can jump around her, but classes are going on, she praises him and says that there is a very good dynamics, but I myself see that the child’s speech is developing, she makes sounds for him, massages the tongue. And this speech pathologist, who deals with very difficult children, told me that there is no way to send the child to the correctional garden case is not possible, the children there are very complex and my child will repeat after them. In addition, there are cases when children leave this kindergarten and then they are sent to the children's department of Kashchenko, they are diagnosed with schizophrenia, the school is corresponding then, in general, the future is gloomy ...
Who can say anything about correctional gardens? Do you have experience? Or generally advise what to do in this situation?
They already actively want to transfer us to a correctional kindergarten for children with mental disabilities, but I’m still thinking whether we should try to return to our old kindergarten, where the child had no problems, and we are already dealing with speech problems with our speech therapist, and the logo garden is of no use to the child at all, the educators and teachers there cannot stand him and consider him a fool.
Oct 6 2011, 03:56 AM
Is it possible to return to the old garden? I would probably go back. the main thing is the contact, not the name of the garden. all the more so, with a speech pathologist-defectologist you are separately engaged.
there are also inclusive gardens. children with special behavior are taken there (1-2 people per group), but at the same time the child develops among ordinary peers, learns according to general program. he may be recommended additional sessions with a psychologist and a speech therapist. a child is released from there with an ordinary card, like everyone else (unless you yourself want to indicate something special to it).
about the correctional garden. they are different. you probably don't really need it. but the fact that children are automatically released to Kashchenko's children's department is nonsense. only the mother decides where to study for the child, where to be treated, where to undergo what examinations. they can recommend (!) to you to pass or take place inspection. and then - just what kind of examination, and not WHERE to take it. and private paid centers do not enter the survey history into a common database / map.
now, according to the law, the mother of even a sick child can give general education school. has the right to. another question - if the school does not want to accept him, she will try to push him out. but not accept - can not.
if you are afraid that visiting the kindergarten will affect admission to school, you can say at school that you did not attend the kindergarten. and make a medical card for the school "from scratch".
the child in the garden should be comfortable. I would vote for the first garden + many, many private special classes.
Mama Natasha
Oct 6 2011, 11:00 am
Thank you very much for your answer!
Oct 6 2011, 01:15 PM
Return to the original garden. And a good belt for the child, so that he behaves normally!
Problems also started with mine at your age (I didn’t know anything from what yours knows), with the help of a speech therapist everything was fixed. Now the child is ahead of the development of many, although the youngest in the group. And behavior returned to normal.
God forbid from the correctional garden, they will mutilate your normal baby there.
Mama Natasha
Oct 6 2011, 01:56 PM
Thank you Sonya! :)
We should now return to the old garden, but something tells me that they won’t just transfer from the logo garden to the usual one, so I made a problem for myself, I would leave it in the old one and I wouldn’t know trouble ...
Oct 6 2011, 02:35 PM
And it seems to me that the child’s adaptation to the new garden is hence the unwillingness to sleep during the day, and disobedience (I’m used to teachers from the old garden). Since in the new, judging by the description, grymzy, not educators - return to the old garden.
It is better to be completely without a garden than to get a referral to a correctional one - especially since you have a developed healthy baby. Run from there.
Oct 6 2011, 02:52 PM
UzhOs. Why did you transfer him to the logo garden????
It was for this reason that I refused to transfer mine to the logogroup, assuming how it could all end. We found a speech therapist and began to practice.
By the way, your boy's behavior problems are most likely caused by speech problems! So, in any case, our speech therapist thinks. Those. as soon as my child spoke well, he stopped fighting, aggression decreased (he was aggressive, because he freaked out that they did not understand him), peer authority appeared, the child began to make progress in the lessons (correct motivation).
It is necessary by all means to return it back to the former garden.
Mama Natasha
Oct 6 2011, 03:28 PM
He went to this garden in the summer in a group a year older. There were no problems: he slept and walked as he should, the only thing he didn’t communicate with the children, but I also attribute this to the fact that he spoke late, because now he has a boy appeared in the group with whom he likes play with a girl He also played, that is, he begins to socialize somehow. The problem started only after September 1, when two new teachers appeared and the speech therapist also hates Sasha.
Of course, he has some behavioral features that look strange from the outside (maybe rushes around the group and yells excitedly in the game), but the child learns the kindergarten program, serves himself, etc., that is, there are problems with behavior, but they say that he is inadequate and does not understand the word "impossible" ... Although here he understands, but he needs to be stricter with him, I said this, and in response to me: "But all the children, they understand everything, they do everything, everyone is sleeping or if they don’t sleep, then they lie quietly, and children like yours have no place in our garden.
I’ll try to return to the old one, everything was not perfect there either (I broke the stroller for one girl, I bought a new one, everyone was happy), but there weren’t even hints of what is here ...
Mama Natasha
Oct 6 2011, 03:40 PM
She transferred to the logo garden, because there were no such problems in the first one, I thought that the logo garden was just for him, because in the first kindergarten the children generally spoke VERY well and moreover, all the teachers told us: "You should go to a speech therapy garden, there are few children there, they will study with him, because we cannot devote much time to him, "but in a simple garden with him, the teachers, on their own initiative, sat and studied from books !! He can be said to be in this garden and began to talk when he came there , he spoke 10 words, when he left after 4 months he already composed and explained sentences.
And in the logo garden they tell us that, on the contrary, our speech is a symptom of some kind of disease and that we have a good EEG, neurologists do not see any psychos. deviations - they don’t care about it. Sashka speaks much better, but he doesn’t blink for some reason, he almost doesn’t ask questions except “Mom, what are you doing there?” or "Where is dad \ car \ any toy?", with children in group games is not yet ready to play at all - I see this, maximum in catching up, but I have already begun to enter into some kind of dialogue, I just ignored it before. the child is not the easiest, but it seems to me that he is not developed for two years, as they told me yesterday ...
Oct 6 2011, 03:56 PM
Ask back to the garden, the child - a good speech therapist (well, you have one), the regime is stricter. You, as I understand it, rebz - hyper. There is a topic about hyperactive children. I have hyper too. What affects them: the unity of requirements (otherwise they are lost and begin to induce anarchy), strict adherence to the regime, strictness. He needs help to control himself, and the sphere of control in such children is very poorly developed.
Hyperactivity is considered an extreme version of the norm, but such children are very uncomfortable in kindergartens and schools. Prepare for war until it outgrows.
Mama Natasha
Oct 6 2011, 04:58 PM
You know, I also thought about hyperactivity ... but it seems to me that this is not entirely our case, although maybe you can correct me:
Sasha went late, crawled, sat down, etc. (within the normal range, but extreme - he went in a year and almost two). He did not want to walk down the street until a year and a half, he only wanted to ride in a stroller.
Then he can sit quietly for an hour without getting up, flipping through new interesting books or poking around in my phone (there are cartoons, videos, pictures, TV, there is something to do). He can be very active on the street, at home, playing mobile games with dad games, in the old garden it could also rage, start running around screaming, throwing something (and in the new one it’s always like that). But now I’ve put it to bed for an hour, sitting quietly in the bed looking at books, not a sound.
As far as I understand, hyperactive children can sit quietly for a maximum of 5 minutes, sit down very early, crawl, walk and do not sleep during the day, but when the button is pressed, they are cut down in the evening.
Severity really affects Sasha, but sometimes he will do something for a toy / candy, for example, "Sash, do you want Kopatych? (we have a hit of Smeshariki right now), Then you need to relax, sit on the bed and sleep." You need to change severity with persuasion for something, speak strictly, but calmly. In general, in general, not once in that garden and in the summer in this one did they complain to me that he was not sleeping ... And how are you sleeping in the garden?
I'm thinking, what kind of sedative can be given to the child? Of course, I will consult with experts in advance.
Your opinion is interesting: did you somehow treat your child with medication or are you against it?
Oct 6 2011, 05:13 PM
And what about Sasha with group assignments? Well, play ball, assemble something from the constructor together, draw something together? (together with children, not with mother)
Mama Natasha
Oct 6 2011, 05:51 PM
QUOTE(Sonya @ Oct 6 2011, 04:13 PM) |
I treated with medication, on the recommendation of the educator (she studied to be a defectologist + she has her own special child) gave pantogams and encephabol. There was no effect. On the recommendation of the pediatrician, she gave phenibut, the kid from him blew the whole apartment. And the very recommendation of the pediatrician "you can serve phenibut if you want" is strange, it's still not sweets. In general, he did not fit. Watched his psychiatrist mom's friend), talked for a long time, an hour and a half. She said (at that time he was just 4 or a little more) that the child was intellectually reduced, i.e. this is the norm - but the low norm, at school the three will be his assessment, do not demand more. After working with a speech therapist (for a year), she said that she did not recognize the child, apparently, there was still pedagogical neglect. But yours is a little different. The child sits quietly (!). Hyper will not sit like that, even for a toy. There are problems in communicating with peers - it is necessary to exclude autism. You can chat with autistic mothers here to know and differentiate. If it’s not autism for sure, then, apparently, speech problems, because of this, contact with peers is reduced (mine was a little different, he contacted very much, played, turned on everything, but if they didn’t understand him, he freaked out and fought) By the way , hypers sleep during the day, if laid down. In general, the regime is important to them. |
Yeah ... medication, so not a panacea)
Here, together with me, even to collect and draw something - this is not at all for Sasha. They barely forced the pyramid to collect by 2.5 !!! years. He now collects more complex pyramids for his age perfectly correctly, but all this is collective - not at all. He liked to draw at one time, but it was about two years old - scribbles of little ones, then now he liked to paint with paints, but this is not for long and also clumsy. Sasha instantly grasps how to handle any technique (TV, set-top box, portable DVD, telephone), so that he can watch the cartoon) Knows the correct cartoon number, even if there is no digit indicating the number. In general, ours is letters, numbers, colors, shapes, buttons, techniques - I learned all this in a month, I know any colors in general.
Today we walk with him by the hand, he suddenly says to me "I want to give a left hand" and comes up to me from the other side to give a left hand. It seems to me that such behavior is not typical for a 4 year old ... Although, maybe I'm wrong.
Oct 6 2011, 09:25 PM
During intensive "treatment" we:
- every day we went to the kindergarten, picked up after a quiet hour
- practiced 3 times a week with a speech therapist
- hippotherapy once a week
- 1 time per week (4 hours) - psychologist (Saturday)
- Saturday evening - swimming pool
- massage once a week
- kinesiotherapist once a week
- Defectologist 2 times a week
+ medical support
but we didn't work at home. At home, she was in a non-working mood. had to carry.
we started talking at about 3.5 ... well, so .. at least it became clear. but wrong.
this is typical for 3-4-year-olds ... the son knows both left and right, etc. ... he doesn’t count up to 100, but he knows everything, he knows how.
Mama Natasha
Oct 7 2011, 12:23 AM
Wow!!! What a treatment!!! Seriously! And how long did you have such active treatment?
Where did you find a psychologist?
Do you think the pool and hippotherapy helped a lot?
What kind of massage?
This is the first time I hear about a kinesiotherapist.
I thought that a logosad and a speech pathologist - this is already super, but it turns out how much more is needed !!
Oct 7 2011, 08:48 AM
QUOTE |
This pyramid was given to you. It still does not collect from me.
He's uncomfortable, that's all. For example, I always walk arm in arm with my husband
Does he interact with your children at all? (my husband has an older child with autistic features - he has outgrown a lot, they corrected something - however, later)
IMHO - you have a healthy child who develops with his schedule. Stop comparing, return the child to a team in which he is comfortable and continue to work with a speech therapist.
Oct 7 2011, 10:10 am
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Tell me, please, how many times a week did you study with a speech therapist? How much did you do at home at the moment when the speech therapist went to you? How old was your child when he began to speak very well, ask questions, etc.? Of course, I’m not special, but it seems to me that this is not autism at all - he goes well with any adults, smiling, looking into the eyes and even always asks me: “Mom, look at me!” When he addresses me if I don’t look at him at that moment. I played some active games with older children a year ago. no one mentioned autism. Here, together with me, even to collect and draw something - this is not at all for Sasha. They barely forced the pyramid to collect by 2.5 !!! years. He now collects more complex pyramids for his age perfectly correctly, but all this is collective - not at all. He liked to draw at one time, but it was about two years old - scribbles of little ones, then now he liked to paint with paints, but this is not for long and also clumsy. Sasha instantly grasps how to handle any technique (TV, set-top box, portable DVD, telephone), so he can watch cartoons smile.gif) Knows the correct cartoon number, even if there is no digit indicating the number. In general, ours is letters, numbers, colors, shapes, buttons, techniques - I learned all this in a month, I know any colors in general. He went to my mini last December Kindergarten ik at home, so it was impossible to recognize him there - he sat with the children (with two more) and drew, painted something, worked with him a lot, but there was a very competent girl, she found an approach to him. If you over-stubborn him, you can achieve a lot from him, our speech therapist at home is also almost calm already. .In that garden, he did not interfere in the classroom, but, as I understand it, he did not particularly study there. Apparently, at the moment he needs individual lessons and gradually socialize, communicating with children. Today we walk with him by the hand, he suddenly says to me "I want to give a left hand" and comes up to me from the other side to give a left hand. It seems to me that such behavior is not typical for a 4 year old ... Although, maybe I'm wrong. |
Change the kindergarten (although it is very difficult !!!), or at least the group, otherwise the child will be shut up there, they will be considered an outsider and crazy! Maybe discuss this topic with the garden methodologist?
Mama Natasha
Oct 7 2011, 01:20 PM
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Uh... well, this is kind of normal rebenkino behavior, no? |
Well, he is different from his peers in the garden - everyone sits together and plays together, Sasha alone is worn (this is in this garden, including he could sit quietly and watch a book).
Well, I say - grymzy Stuff the child, do you need it?
Not necessary at all.)
So what? Well, I broke it - the children are.
And I already have a complex - it seems to me that if Sasha does something like that and they somehow pay attention to it, then only Sasha does it and this is VERY abnormal.
Far from two, judging by the listed skills. It seems to me that the "why" depends on when the child began to speak - if later - then he will ask later. Of course, you should not let it take its course - but you are clearly not suitable for a correctional garden either. Moreover, neurologists do not see any deviations.
Well, I also attribute almost all of his behavioral features to the fact that he spoke late and our speech pathologist agrees with this. But he has chips - he doesn’t know how to be embarrassed and shy at all, be afraid, knows no boundaries, maybe a child (of any age from a baby to 12 years old) come up and snatch a toy ... Small children cry, big ones go nuts from such impudence) We teach that it’s impossible, etc., he even understands, but he can still snatch it if he really likes something. He plays Smeshariki with himself, quoting them, muttering under his breath and dancing, from the side it looks fun ... But without these such chips, he makes an impression of an absolutely normal person.
I have a nephew hyper. The concentration of attention (it was 4 years in May) is enough for a maximum of 2-3 minutes (there is not even a question about 5). He moves exclusively by running, such a motor - you can’t confuse IT with anything. They said it would grow. We don’t have hyper for sure - but, IMHO, any child can rage if you don’t stop it in time.
And they take this rage for inadequate behavior, because they can’t stop him, but he’s really kind of overexcited and nervous in that garden, now we’re sitting at home, much calmer, he finds that he can jump and yell, but for a minute, and I don’t know if this is normal or not. I don’t even know what is normal and what is not.
Yes. Teachers need to be treated with medication. And electricity. Not your case, that's for sure.
Tell them something?)) The husband is terribly angry with them, he wants to make a scandal for them there, but first you need Sasha to have everything ok in another garden, plus I think that it’s pointless to make a scandal - they don’t care.
He just started in this garden just a couple of weeks ago. The girl alone said that he played with her, he liked the boy, they also played somehow and Sasha said that he liked to play with him.
It's nice to hear this, especially after all the "slop" that was poured on us.
My problem is that I constantly compare and everything is not in Sasha's favor ...
Mama Natasha
Oct 7 2011, 01:47 PM
QUOTE(Sonya @ Oct 7 2011, 09:10 AM) |
A speech therapist comes to us 2 times a week, works for an hour and a half. For a year and a half of classes, I corrected my speech, put all the sounds. Now she is engaged in re-preparation for school. There is contact with the child, he obeys her. And to study at home .... I work a lot and nervously, i.e. worked sporadically. I can bang him for a week every day, I can score. Everything is irregular. It would be good for your Sasha to study in small groups, i.e. neither individual nor group. And it really doesn't sound like autism. By the way, we had this in the summer when the groups were mixed up: the teacher (alien) told me that she was worried that my child did not play with other children at all, on his own (last year it was). I talked to him, he had the answer "Because my friends are not there, and I don't want to play with these!". I returned to my group - everything returned to normal. He began to speak well by the age of 5, after classes. Started at 11 months, spoke in separate words at 2.5 years, phrasal speech - after 3 years, i.e. late. Change the kindergarten (although it is very difficult !!!), or at least the group, otherwise the child will be shut up there, they will be considered an outsider and crazy! Maybe discuss this topic with the garden methodologist? |
It’s good for you, you at least have the opportunity to work, but I can’t imagine what I would do now if I worked. Officially, I can still take the child to this kindergarten, but after all this I won’t take it for anything. Yesterday I had to take , because I had to drive off, when the speech therapist took me away, she angrily said that Sasha had broken her pipe for classes and so that I would "deign to buy." And the educator sarcastically thanked that we would let the whole group sleep today ... (I took him to sleep ). And in August, he even slept in this garden and never broke anything ...
I can’t ask Sasha “Why are you doing this?”, He still doesn’t understand causal relationships well, our speech therapist just told us on Wednesday that homework is to start developing these causal relationships. I have Sasha in separate words probably spoke at 3.5 years old, and phrase speech went somewhere at 3.9. Now he can say: “Mom, the bear is lost, I just can’t find it” - this is probably one of the most difficult phrases that he spoke, but he is progressing every day, which I am very happy about, and it was at that moment that they told me that he was mentally retarded, inadequate ...
We will definitely change, on Monday I will go to the department for completing gardens (or whatever it is called) and I will talk, I wanted to go yesterday, but they said that regarding the transfer to another kindergarten, this is only on Monday.
Oct 7 2011, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(Mom_Natasha @ Oct 7 2011, 12:20 PM) |
Sasha alone is worn |
Well, if these grimzes got rid of all the "uncomfortable" children in this way - they still have children who are easy to train - where they put them, they sit there
Cucaryamba
Oct 7 2011, 02:10 PM
Normal child, honestly. In short, I completely agree with Rozetka: nurture educators and my mother calm down. And find a normal garden or somehow put the aunts in their place in the current one.
In luck Damn, a minute God forbid, if running around for half an hour or an hour - usually, if the weather is bad and not walking - mine rushes and jumps all day - well, with 10 minute breaks for games quieter Maybe just all Sashas are mobile and loud boys?
Stop comparing. And then you get it, as with a medical reference book - anyone to whom he falls into the hands, at first he looks for all diseases by symptoms - and finds, even if he is healthy
I have Vova, not Sasha, and still - the removal of the brain. HOW he can ride - this is generally a separate sausage.
Mama Natasha
Oct 7 2011, 03:29 PM
They position it so that all NORMAL children are "easy to train" and if someone is not easy, then he is a crazy inadequate who needs a psychiatrist.
The problem is that they are already preparing a characterization of a psychologist from this kindergarten, and there it will obviously be just creepy, I need a certificate from a psychiatrist that he is NORMAL, and I can get to a psychiatrist no earlier than in a month, we still have an appointment at the institute correction pedagogy on the 20th (a year ago they were there and they didn’t see the horrors), it seems to me that it’s so easy from the logo garden, where they will say about Sasha that he’s crazy, they won’t transfer us to the usual one, we need to stock up on all the certificates ... in short, there will be a fun war, hope to win
Most children break toys. Yes, adults too. And they say about some - "a born tester" (one who looks for errors where they should not be) - about those who always fall on their backs from the hands of a cat, sandwiches buttered down, etc.
Well, maybe this is some kind of self-winding ...
Moms will correct me if I'm wrong. I walk on the playground - and almost any child from 3 to 5-6 comes up and easily takes away toys from my son. So I think it's normal.
I have never seen anything like this in my life, on the contrary, everyone is freaking out when Sasha does this, and in the garden, according to the teachers, no one ever does anything except Sasha. But now he doesn’t seem to take anything from the children in the garden either.
In luck Damn, a minute God forbid, if running around for half an hour or an hour - usually, if the weather is bad and not walking - mine rushes and jumps all day - well, with 10 minute breaks for games quieter Maybe just all Sashas are mobile and loud boys?
Now I put him to bed, mumbles something quite loudly, plays, sits, jumps out of bed, jumps from it (that is, it would interfere with children's sleep), then after these "manipulations" he falls asleep ... but it used to be the same thing always, but somehow they coped with it before these educators ... were they stuffed with sleeping pills or what??!: wacko: (While I finished writing everything, he seemed to fall asleep, there was silence ...)
Yes, I already try not to compare, but I come to the garden to pick it up, all the children (To the logo garden !!!) "Hello, look what I have, and what kind of blouse / toy I have!" Other children: "And I'm better, look!" and so on, Sasha is sitting buried in a magazine about Smeshariki, and, judging by his appearance, he is deeply parallel to what is happening around, who has what blouses, what is his name, he turns to me and shows me all Smeshariki drawn in magazine, calling them by their names ... and EVERYTHING, and so can several times in a circle.
This, of course, kills when such a clear contrast goes on. But then he can talk about something normally, but not at all like other children, like "Mom, I want to go to the store, let's go buy an accordion!" .He has a trick now - he collects all musical instruments, we already have a piano, a guitar, a pipe (well, everything is childish, of course). Moreover, he somehow himself guessed that these were all musical instruments, and he saw the harmonica in the picture with Smeshariki and has been begging for a month.
Everything goes on with him for some kind of "I want this, I want that, let's go buy" (spoiled terribly in the last time). So we are talking about Smeshariki, toys that are interesting to him, cartoons, TV, restaurants, well, in general about all sorts of entertainment. It seems to me that at the age of 4 a child is actively interested in the outside world, compares everything, etc. Sasha doesn’t care.
They started talking about the seasons, he says to me, "I want snow, New Year and gifts, and smiles joyfully, in anticipation of gifts." The day before yesterday, he asked for some gifts from the teacher, she was in shock)
Mama Natasha
Oct 7 2011, 03:38 PM
Aunts in the current is already unrealistic and I don’t want to.
It’s unrealistic because the manager there has already taken it upon herself to transfer us to a correctional garden, but I don’t want to, because educators and speech therapists hate him there. I don’t want my child to go where they treat him like an idiot with the words: “Run!! You can still save him!! I feel so sorry for him!" and behave accordingly.
The caregiver puts him to sleep coolly, tells me: “I hold him on the bed with my hand so that he doesn’t get up, he cries and I’m with him,” I couldn’t even comment on this from shock ... Forcibly holding him is generally pointless, he then really starts to cry and resent.
Oct 7 2011, 04:41 PM
Otherwise, they shut up re.
Later I will write more what I think about the situation.
Mama Natasha
Oct 7 2011, 04:50 PM
QUOTE(Sonya @ Oct 7 2011, 03:41 PM) |
I can’t write much, now I’m running away .... In short, yes. Natasha, take not a defensive, but an attacking position. Write a complaint against the head teacher, then to the acquisition department (preschool), talk with the head. preschool, say that you are ready to go higher, but you won’t do it, if the conflict on the part of the educators is resolved peacefully by your transfer to another kindergarten, you will safely forget everything. God forbid start making excuses. The conclusion of the neurologist - a brick face - "I HAVE A NORMAL CHILD, and the teachers are unqualified!" The only way. Otherwise, they shut up re. If you need help in writing claims and complaints - I will help. Later I will write more what I think about the situation. |
Thanks a lot!!!
Only the only thing is that it’s useless to write to the head teacher about the teacher, because the head teacher herself, in the presence of the teacher, began to ask me about a psychiatrist and gently let me down that a correctional garden is needed, they both settled on me, that there is no such child in the garden, inadequate behavior , psychiatrist, etc. And I'm also afraid of this psychological characteristics from the psychologist Sadovsky, she’s already there for the correctional garden SO she will write that mom don’t cry!
It remains only to rely on information from neurologists, psychiatrists and the institute of correction. pedagogy.
And it’s not a fact that they still won’t slap us with some ZPRR ...
Oct 7 2011, 06:30 PM
There is a city PMPK, you can enroll a child on it - not from the garden, but by yourself. The PMPK will give its opinion after talking with the re (of course, they will not know the characteristics from the kindergarten, you can generally tell them that the child is not a garden). It's free. After examining the re, they will give a conclusion that can be proudly brandished in preschool, referring to the incompetence of the headmaster and the garden. Or quietly tear it up and throw it away, if the conclusion does not suit you, draw conclusions for yourself and work with re.
Could it be that the manager wants money stupidly?
Mama Natasha
Oct 7 2011, 07:33 PM
And how can you get to this PMPK, how to find out when and where it will be?
And the opinion of specialists from the center of correctional pedagogy for the garden will not be so significant?
No, I don’t think that she wants money, they are afraid to take it there, the manager there is very understanding and I like her, it seems to me that she was fed up with educators who always run to her because of Sasha to complain about him and say how hard it all is and terrible.
I think his adaptation is difficult + he hasn’t made any friends yet + bad reviews.
And the manager is not so wonderful, since she cannot build her own team, so as not to run and complain.
Sarah Conor
Oct 7 2011, 09:18 PM
City PMPK located on the basis of 6 children's psycho-neurological hospital. You can get there in the direction of the district psychiatrist in 2 stages - he will send re. to the 6th hospital, and the psychiatrist in the 6th is already at the PMPK.
Oct 7 2011, 10:31 PM
I'm afraid of all these hospitals...
In general, most of all I trust the institute of correction. pedagogy. Last year I went to the district center for problem children (I forgot what it is called correctly, there is such a thing in every district), so there were different specialists, including from some kind of psycho-neurological hospital, and this one from the hospital to me calmly stated that Sasha most likely had alalia (Sasha didn’t speak at all then), but of course he said that he needed to be examined, I was terribly scared.
Then I got to the institute of correction. pedagogy, where they told me that Sasha did not have any alalia and even explained why. As a result, it turned out that it really was not alalia, because he soon spoke without any medication.
I'm all to the point that I'm afraid that there they will just instruct him with such diagnoses that you should immediately go and die.
Because I realized that there are doctors who do not see anything at all, even if it is in front of their noses, and there are those who make terrible diagnoses when there is practically no reason ...
Mama Natasha
Oct 8 2011, 01:55 AM
QUOTE(Emptiness @ Oct 7 2011, 09:31 PM) |
I studied in this rhythm for 2 years (there were still some group classes 2 times a week, I don’t even remember everything .. on the day AFTER the garden there were 2-3 trips to different parts of Moscow for classes for an hour / two). then they studied for a year, replacing the kinesiotherapist with dancing, the psychologist with theater, English appeared, etc.. they already went to regular classes, but where it is necessary to fulfill the requirements, to study in a team. of the "special" specialists that year remained a speech therapist and a psychologist. this year we are already without medicines. we have preparation for school 2 times a week (2 hours each), judo 2 times a week (30 minutes each), theater (vocal + dancing) 2 times a week (2 hours each), swimming pool. in general, the schedule is much simpler. unfortunately, they finished studying with a psychologist (they left by age). and the speech therapist has family circumstances .. we will try to negotiate with her for a fee and longer ... psychologist and defectologist - in the district center. after pmpk. Hippotherapy, in my opinion, did not give us anything, except for the pleasure of my daughter))) but the overall picture began to improve .. I don’t know what specifically worked there. I was pregnant, then gave birth that year. therefore, all the intensity fell on my maternity leave .. and jumped in the classroom ("mommies also participate in our classes, it's soooo useful for babies") - first with an 8-month-old belly, then with a baby in a cradle .... |
You are a mother-heroine!!! You need a monument during your lifetime!!! I'm serious!!
Even during pregnancy and with a baby ... for me, this is just the height of heroism.
I thought that I was a super mother when I took Sasha to a speech therapist twice a week and waited in the car for 40 minutes, watching movies on my phone
I'm also thinking about a psychologist or a neuropsychologist... I was advised by a neuropsychologist, but I haven't found one yet... and we also want a pool.
- there is a purpose
By the way, we also went to the Ronald McDonald Center. there for difficult kids. but it’s great to start there: there are few such patient and sincere people. + all classes are structured in such a way that no one will look askance at a running boy, but they will also "force" to do it (in normal ways. Persuade). We also went to Lego there. this center is free. what is not less important. because in the "difficult" 2 years we gave over 20 thousand a month for various classes ... not counting dolphin therapy in the summer.
group sports activities- this is just what you need!
- there are quite simple rules
- there is a purpose
- This is a team game, that is, you need to interact
is a fast game, so commands are given (short simple words). it makes it easier to understand. he understands, he is understood!
- the result is immediately visible. he is specific.
- there is a coach, and he must be obeyed.
- there is an example of other guys. who listen and get things done.
it's not your concern how it will be worn there. You are taking your son there not for professional football or gymnastics skills - namely, for teaching interaction using a simple, sports example.
we went to a group, there was an "obstacle course". I had to crawl somewhere, climb somewhere, slide down, crawl .. there was no limit to children's happiness. and there was not a single child who did not! and the children were sooooo different and complex! and even then they played doubles.
By the way, we also went to the Ronald McDonald Center. there for difficult kids. but it’s great to start there: there are few such patient and sincere people. + all classes are structured in such a way that no one will look askance at a running boy, but they will also "force" to do it (in normal ways. Persuade). We also went to Lego there. this center is free. what is not less important. because in the "difficult" 2 years we gave over 20 thousand a month for various classes ... not counting dolphin therapy in the summer. Yeah ... medication, so not a panacea)
I'm talking about medication ... no, not treatment, rather, medication correction, I want to say. We have a hyperactive, also with ZRR, sent to a correctional kindergarten, but our neuropathologist said that it makes sense to go with ordinary children - in our correctional one there will be a high level, which will soon fall. I scheduled classes with a speech therapist and additionally - a sedative, no, not phenibut, but tenoten - it acts exactly as a sedative, only the difference is this:
- you need to drink it exactly as a course, and not give it at moments of high activity
- reduces anxiety and activity (irritability, aggression), but at the same time -
- does not enter into a stupor state, does not tend to sleep
- helps to concentrate memory and attention (useful for classes)
We caught up with the average norm in about four months, despite the fact that we were almost a year behind with the speech.
Almost every child will attend a kindergarten, but not every one of them is accepted into a regular preschool. educational institution(DOE). There are kids with certain health problems. For them there are correctional kindergartens. The developed programs of such institutions eliminate health problems, help children adapt, develop properly, learn to establish contact and learn at the level with other children.
Who are they for?
Correctional preschool educational institutions differ in specialization, are intended for children:
- With poor eyesight. You can get into such an institution through an extract from an ophthalmologist. As a rule, these are children who have poor vision, suffer from strabismus or astigmatism.
- who often get sick. You can get into such a garden through a pediatrician's certificate. The doctor decides whether to attend a special institution for the child. He makes such a direction, based on the history of the crumbs diseases during the year.
- With bad hearing. Designed for children who are deaf from birth or hard of hearing.
- With disorders of the musculoskeletal system. A referral is received from a neurologist or orthopedist. It takes babies who are diagnosed with cerebral palsy, with a curvature of the neck or paralysis. Be sure to carry out special work in such kindergartens to restore and form the motor activity of the child. Such children require special approach and attention of specialists.
Other destinations
In addition, there are other specialized preschool institutions. One of them is speech therapy. A speech therapist writes a referral to it.
It is designed to work with children who have a delay speech development or a number of other speech therapy problems.
Another type of special institutions is orthopedic. You can get into it through recommendations from an orthopedist. They take babies who have a deformed chest, congenital dislocation, scoliosis of the lower back, curvature of the legs.
How to get into a specialized preschool?
The main condition for this is a doctor's referral, which is prescribed by a therapist, orthopedist or other doctor after observing the child, making a diagnosis and prescribing treatment. Education in a correctional institution is an additional method that is included in the complex of treatment.
After receiving the referral, a psychological, medical and pedagogical commission is required. She gives an opinion on whether it is advisable to go to such a kindergarten. If confirmed, parents with documents go to the head, who determines the baby in the group.
Classes in correctional gardens take into account the problem associated with the health of the child. There are much fewer children in groups than in simple preschools. This makes it possible for such babies to receive more attention and care from qualified specialists.
A significant disadvantage of such establishments is the location. Sometimes the baby has to be dragged across the city. It is hard not only for him, but also for his parents. For such cases, there are gardens in which round-the-clock groups work. If necessary, parents can be calm, knowing that their child is under supervision.
You can find all correctional kindergartens in Moscow in our catalog
What exactly is a correctional garden? This is a kindergarten for children who require special medical attention, with developmental disabilities with intellectual and motor problems, with poor hearing and vision, as well as with delayed speech development - correctional kindergartens in Moscow aimed at adapting and solving the problems of such babies. These kindergartens employ people with medical education who specialize in each of these ailments.
However, not all parents are ready to admit that their child has developmental problems or a violation of some of the main sense organs. Many are afraid of the stigma of a “special child”, others are sure that a child with obvious disabilities should be sent to a standard institution so that he, so to speak, “stretches” for the children around him. But, unfortunately, parents do not realize that among those unlike themselves, the child will feel like an outcast, which can seriously affect the psyche and, instead of further development, he will remain in place.
Correctional kindergartens in Moscow: an individual approach
If parents intend to send a child with a developmental delay to a normal kindergarten, they should not be denied by law. But mothers and fathers know that they will not pay due attention to your angel. Groups of kids will run, jump and jump around him, looking with interest and expressing their curiosity with the words "What's wrong with you?"
In special kindergartens correctional groups based on multiple programs. Especially for such children, specialists have developed an individual approach to classes and the attitude there is completely different. All programs are developed by doctors, they include special exercises that help correct the weaknesses of the body. Even children with a complex and yet incomprehensible diagnosis of autism can be taught to adapt in society in such a way that few people will notice its peculiarity.
Unfortunately, there are not many specialized kindergartens in Moscow, but they still exist. By the way, who doesn’t know, they are also called a garden of a compensating view or a combined view - it’s all the same, speech therapy kindergarten in the same category, but there are classes with a speech therapist in almost any kindergarten. Kindergarten of the combined type No. 1157, specializes in children with mental development disorders. In kindergarten of compensatory type No. 1026, all children receive a complex of medical health-improving services, strictly following the recommendations of doctors.
For children with visual impairments, kindergarten No. 972 is suitable, not counting individual lessons, private correctional kindergartens standard child development programs do not exclude: speech development, music, exercise, inventive and creative activities, etc.
Special Program
Looking in, you will find early development centers with an emphasis on an individual program for children with certain problems. It is very important to understand that the unwillingness to admit your baby is not healthy enough, over time, can greatly complicate your life, as well as cripple the life of the child. Any ailment of developmental delay can be reduced if you turn to specialists in time, and stereotypes that in the kindergarten for the same as your child, he will not learn anything, can deprive him of the opportunity for a normal future.
Prolonging the situation will lead to a severe form, when nothing can be corrected. The whole point is that special kindergartens provide worthy attention to every needy baby, and most importantly there, no one will point fingers at him and ask leading questions. Keep this in mind when you doubt whether it is worth giving your baby to correctional kindergartens in Moscow.
There is an opinion that a speech therapy garden is a certain “stigma” in a child’s personal file. Is it really?
To begin with, let's figure out what is a speech therapy group?
Correctional groups are divided into speech (speech therapy) and groups of children with mental retardation (delayed psycho-speech development).
In speech therapy groups, they put sounds that were not there, and correct incorrectly pronounced ones (correction of speech defects), enrich the dictionary, develop phonemic perception, coherent speech, and teach correct grammatical design. In the senior and preparatory group preparing for literacy.
Both a speech therapist and a defectologist work in the ZPR groups (in addition to educators who have the necessary qualifications).
Every year for a different age is a multifaceted work. There are kindergartens where all speech groups are. There are - where only groups with ZPR.
There are kindergartens where speech (logopedic) groups + groups with mental retardation + ordinary groups = a garden of a combined type. There is an ordinary garden where there is a logopoint. Only children with impaired pronunciation are enrolled at the logopoint.
But in any case, a speech therapy group in our time is not a punishment, but, most likely, a reward, because it has become more difficult to get there, and the general underdevelopment of speech is easier to correct in the garden, where all work is aimed at eliminating this problem.
Perhaps it is no longer a secret to anyone that in speech therapy training of children, no offense to anyone will be said, sometimes much stronger than in mass kindergartens. Because kids from a speech therapy kindergarten come to school with a much better vocabulary than children from a regular kindergarten. They know more, they have more vocabulary, many skills are better formed, starting with graphic skills, sound-letter analysis and ending with stories from pictures. Better generalizations. That is, from speech therapy gardens, children come even more prepared.
You will be able to independently track the progress of your child's order in the Electronic register of future pupils.
Step 2 Go to a speech therapist in the district clinic.
The speech therapist examines the child, gives a referral for the passage of the PMPK (psychological-medical-pedagogical commission).
Step 3 Collect a few references for PMPK:
- from an ENT doctor
- ophthalmologist,
- pediatrician,
- neuropathologist (for children under 3 years old),
- psychiatrist.
Step 4 Find the address of your district PMPK, call and make an appointment.
Step 5 On the appointed day, come to the examination with the child.
What documents are needed for a speech therapy garden?
Documents for passing PMPK
- birth certificate of the child;
- passport of the parent or person replacing him (for those temporarily residing in Moscow and registration certificate);
- four medical reports:
- a child psychiatrist from the PND at the place of registration of the child (for children under 3 years old - a neuropathologist of the district children's clinic),
- speech therapist of the district children's polyclinic,
- otolaryngologist of the district children's polyclinic,
- ophthalmologist at the regional children's clinic.
If the child has previously attended a kindergarten, it is necessary to additionally provide a psychological and pedagogical characteristic from this kindergarten.
If the child has previously passed a commission in another city or district PMPK, it is necessary to additionally provide a psychological, medical and pedagogical conclusion of this commission.
Your child will be looked after by:
- speech therapist,
- psychologist,
- sometimes a psychoneurologist.
The task of the commission is to determine whether the child is really lagging behind his peers in speech development or whether the parents are just playing it safe. Or maybe they certainly want to enroll the baby in speech therapy group, despite excellent speech and development by age? It happens!
If the commission decides that the child has problems, then the question arises: to which speech therapy kindergarten should the child be sent? After all, diagnoses are different, depending on them, a group of children of a certain age is recruited.
For example, if a 4-year-old baby has a diagnosis of "general underdevelopment of speech (OHP) of level 1-2", then the senior speech therapist looks at which kindergarten this year recruits 4-year-olds with such a diagnosis.
And if a 6-year-old child has problems with sound pronunciation (hissing, whistling are distorted, the baby does not pronounce "r" and "l"), then such a child will be sent to another group - preparatory, where the program is different, and the requirements for learning outcomes are higher .
For stuttering children, there are generally separate kindergartens with their own program and a set of specialists (there, for example, art therapy classes are conducted).
On the commission, the child is assigned to one of the following groups:
- stuttering;
- general underdevelopment of speech (children with delayed speech development or gross lexical and grammatical speech disorders are sent here);
- phonetic-phonemic speech disorders (simply speaking, these are pronunciation disorders - cases when a child incorrectly pronounces 10-12 sounds);
- violations of the pronunciation of individual sounds (2-3 sounds).
So, your child will be examined and a certificate of passing the PMPK will be issued.
Only after the commission, parents can breathe easy: on September 1, the baby will definitely go to kindergarten.
In addition to gardens that are completely dedicated to speech therapy, speech therapy groups are ubiquitous in ordinary kindergartens.
Comment on the article "How do they get into a speech therapy kindergarten?"
Good afternoon. The article is titled for me How children with speech therapy problems do not get into kindergarten. This happens ...... We have the conclusion of this commission, but there is no registration in the city where we now live. And we were denied both kindergarten, by the way, even a simple one, and specialized medical care. That's it....And it's true. Where to write, to whom to complain? That is the question.
11/11/2015 13:53:44, Ekaterina1. Came to the clinic, did not pronounce r, w, u
2. We took a direction to the logo garden
3. In the logo garden they gave a piece of paper which doctors you need to go through
4.Brought papers to the garden
5. In May there was a commission, we were driven on some tests. They praised us and asked which kindergarten with a speech therapist we want, We said to them.
September 6, 1 came to the garden.
Classes are held 2 times a week alone with a speech therapist. Lots of homework assignments. Gymnastics with tongue, fingers. And any speech therapy.
I am very pleased.
Despite the fact that speech therapists are being removed from the gardens, everything will remain the same. Both a speech therapist and a psychologist.
And a nanny for 17 people. I was just lucky with the manager, she defended the kindergarten.
I also think that it is better to study with a speech therapist in private, and go to the garden as usual, but it is also a problem to get there.
28.02.2013 16:28:29,Total 5 messages .
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Specialized kindergartens ( compensating type) are intended for children with certain health problems. To arrange a child in such a kindergarten, you need to make a number of efforts, but the result is worth it, because the compensatory type kindergarten program is designed taking into account certain problems and is aimed at eliminating them.
Who needs to go to a specialized kindergarten
Children suffering from certain diseases and in need of certain care and special classes. This is exactly what compensatory kindergartens offer. Of course, you can send your child to a regular kindergarten near your home, but your child's additional needs will not be met there.
So, specialized kindergartens are of the following types:
- Kindergarten for frequently ill children - as the name implies, this is a kindergarten for those who are often sick. The decision to send the child to such a kindergarten is made by the pediatrician based on how often the child has been ill over the past year.
- Logopedic kindergarten designed for children with speech delay and other speech therapy problems. A speech therapist gives a referral to kindergarten.
- Kindergarten for visually impaired children children with poor eyesight, astigmatism, strabismus, etc. can visit. Direction to kindergarten can be obtained from an optometrist.
- Orthopedic Kindergarten suitable for children with chest deformity, congenital dislocations and subluxations of the hips, lumbar scoliosis, X-shaped and U-shaped legs. You can get a referral from an orthopedist.
- AT kindergarten for children with hearing impairment recruit deaf and hard of hearing children.
- AT kindergarten for children with mental retardation accept children with a diagnosis of mental retardation (mental retardation) as a result of trauma, illness or due to heredity. In order to get into kindergarten, you will need the opinion of a neurologist (or psychiatrist), ophthalmologist, speech therapist and otolaryngologist.
- Kindergarten for children with disorders of the musculoskeletal system Designed for children with limited mobility. These are children suffering from cerebral palsy, paralysis, and torticollis. In kindergartens of this type, complex correctional work is carried out, aimed at the formation of motor functions. Children with the above diagnoses need special medical supervision, so they will not be accepted into a regular kindergarten. A referral to a kindergarten should be issued by an orthopedist and a neurologist.
How to get to a specialized kindergarten
The procedure for admission to specialized kindergartens differs from admission to ordinary ones. The first thing you need is a referral from a doctor. Then, with this referral and the child himself (mandatory), you will go to the psychological-medical-pedagogical commission (PMPC). The commission will issue an opinion on the advisability of visiting a specialized kindergarten for the child, and if this conclusion is positive, you go with him directly to the head.
As mentioned above, the opportunity to attend a specialized kindergarten is worth the effort. Firstly, groups in specialized kindergartens are much smaller than in ordinary kindergartens - 7-15 people. Accordingly, educators pay more attention to children. And secondly, by visiting a specialized kindergarten, your child will receive exactly what he needs.
Specialized kindergartens also have disadvantages associated with the fact that they are not always within walking distance. Sometimes the baby has to be taken to the other end of the city. That is why many compensatory kindergartens have a round-the-clock group. However, not every parent is ready to part with the baby for so long.
In a word, where there are pluses, there are minuses. And what outweighs, of course, you decide.
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Kinderok Thu, 08/09/2011 - 16:15
Ludmila, discuss your concerns with the orthopedist who referred you to this group, perhaps your child could attend a regular or other specialized group.